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>Do not post content that is racist, homophobic, transphobic, sexist, ableist, etc.
I thought SJWs and anarchist are different.


The difference is that we're against idpol.


So you don't respect freedom of speech, but also don't respect people's identify right?


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It seems to me that the only way to actually end the exchage of commoditys and capitalism would be some form of central planning where all production is managed from one point. Wouldn't "decentralized planning" be just another form of commodity exchance as each sector where planning takes place essentially exchanges with the others?
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>But puerile sectarians like you
wait up
that's spicy
you're saying that the way I act is somehow going too far *as opposed to Wolfi?*
>honestly there are parts of Bordiga's (flawed) thought that are really compelling in comparison to the collective brainletry of the 'post-left' subculture.
It's hard to say that anything in Bordiga's (or Rühle's or Mattick's) writing addresses the post-left critique, a critique which does not necessarily say that Marxism of any form is strictly "wrong" or makes bad factual statements, but which focuses on the assumptions underlying, namely: that we care to have class war at all, that capitalism won't cannibalize itself before we can oppose it, that the system we are in is similar enough from the system that Marx or Bordiga described to apply the same analysis, etc.
>or you would at least understand the difference between the left wing of capital and the communist left.
Entirely irrelevant to my point and also (conveniently enough) wrong. No, the post-left critique does not only apply to left capitalism.


I hate to ruin the satisfaction that you got from all that bold text pontificating, but when did I say that political authority should be transferred to affinity groups? I'm fairly certain that I contradicted that when I denounced municipal governance.


>I think the thing that a lot of anarchists are missing is that we shouldn't have an end goal.
>This idea doesn't seem to be very common among anarchists, but I think that we should focus on the struggle itself instead of the end goal. We should realize that liberation exists in the act of defiance, not as a result of it.
Your isolated defiance is powerless against international corporate capital and statism. This is pretty much why those 'stupid syndicalists, Makhnovists and Bookchinists' want to organize. So as to not be powerless.
If you think you can oppose the state and capital by your lone everyday actions I honestly don't know where to start. Try it out for a month. See what happens. Live on stolen food items and squatted lands, by yourself. See how long you can last before you get health problems or police abuse and detention, which snowballs to future worse punishments due to the state-registry.

Some of us actually want sustained, long-term structural change and it has proven to work far better than your shitty strategy, whether you want to 'label' it that or not. If I'm still off then feel free to elaborate beyond "focus on the struggle". As if that's not what "class struggle anarchists" wants to do; the ones you dismissed as "authoritarian".

Also we're not struggling for "utopia". We're struggling for anarchy. If that's so crazy to you then maybe you shouldn't call yourself an anarchist/anarch or hang out in these circles at all.


Firstly, wow, if you talk like you type, you must be a real pain at parties.

Secondly, your sustained long-term structural change will never happen. It simply isn't possible to implement ideals onto society. The structures of human relations cannot be changed by a faction that claims to be libertarian without reverting to despotism. There has never been a successful escape from tyranny since the rise of the State, and there never will be.

It is simply impossible to live by ideals (whatever those ideals are, anarchy, liberty, justice, etc. etc.) and not open your mind up to exploitation. All movements eventually contradict their own goals and purposes because they put their trust in individuals who claim to represent those ideals (just as Catholic priests claim to represent the world of god). Your loyalty is then lost from the ideal and becomes affixed on your glorious leader. This always happens, no matter how democratic your system is.

Face it, anarchist society is something that will never happen. Not only is there literally nobody in the world who would be willing to allow such an endeavor to exist, but any attempt at doing so will devolve into a degenerated quasi-state like Rojava or anarchist Catalonia.

And since you seem to be exceptionally eager to jump on the ad hominems, yes, I do consider myself an anarchist. I'd say I'm a hell of a lot more anarchist than you since I'm not willing to sell out to the highly authoritarian nature of anarchist organizations.


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>we're not struggling for "utopia"
Maybe if your definition of utopia is something that is de facto unrealizable, then yes, of course you're not. But when you really look at it, a global, sustainable, anarchist society is wishful thinking in every sense of the word, not only because of Empire, but also due to climate change.
>live on stolen food items and squatted lands, by yourself
The fact that you say "by yourself" reveals a lack of understanding when it comes to post-left theory. When we say anti-organization, we are rejecting formal apparatuses. Affinity groups are encouraged so we can (if we're inclined to do so) set up mutual aid networks between us. Furthermore, no one is under the impression that dumpstering will change the world. People squat because they want to change the now, not the future.
>it has proven to work far better than your shitty strategy
Has it though? No sustained change has come about from anarchist revolutions (or at least no changes that aren't similar to what insurrections produce i.e. inspiration, temporary liberation, etc.)

Small communes would be easily capable of ending exchange within themselves. Centralization is inherently rigid and inflexible, and is therefore incapable of abolishing alienation.


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>The global economy is in crisis. The exponential exhaustion of natural resources, declining productivity, slow growth, rising unemployment, and steep inequality, forces us to rethink our economic models. Where do we go from here? In this feature-length documentary, social and economic theorist Jeremy Rifkin lays out a road map to usher in a new economic system.

>A Third Industrial Revolution is unfolding with the convergence of three pivotal technologies: an ultra-fast 5G communication internet, a renewable energy internet, and a driverless mobility internet, all connected to the Internet of Things embedded across society and the environment.

>This 21st century smart digital infrastructure is giving rise to a radical new sharing economy that is transforming the way we manage, power and move economic life. But with climate change now ravaging the planet, it needs to happen fast. Change of this magnitude requires political will and a profound ideological shift.


that's about as Silicon-style "ethical capitalism thru more tech" as it gets


oh yeah definitely

all this talk about "distributed" technologies being the natural conclusion of the westphalian nation-state, decimating hierarchical infrastructure and absolving geopolitical borders in favor of "biosphere trade networks" sounds awfully familiar tho. yet he has the audacity to say that capitalism won't "go away", and that rapid technological unemployment won't be issue. also his casual, recurring usage of "internets" is really off-putting


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post-moar anti-fascist/anti-capitalist tracks here
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Before Doomtree was formed some of its members were pretty anarchxs; P.O.S came from Minneapolis' 90s punk scene. Sims has a couple tracks that go hard, too.





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You are welcome anons, join us!

irc.anarchyplanet.org ssl: 6697


There is also a web-client at https://irc.anarchyplanet.org


Is this server of some organization or something?



An organization? Lol. no..


#tech/#hacking/#security -→ /decking/
#occult ———————–→ /kvlt/

torposting allowed!


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ITT : stuff that normies said to you.

>you are an idealist

>what you propose is too utopian
>Hitler was a socialist
>if you hate states so much, why don't you go to the international waters?
>human nature
>a planned economy would result in a mob taking your stuff
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Op here, back for more hot takes from yesterday night.
>anarchism is right-wing and close to neoliberalism, right-wing means more liberty and left-wing means more equality
Either I'm shit at explaining the anarchist critique of capitalism or they don't want to listen to it.


People have no idea what equality means, they all think it's about making everything standardized.


(context: discussing a hypothetical ancom world)
>So, if I pay someone to chop wood for me, the anarcho-police will come and get me?
please separate my head from my neck


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The biggest problem we have is discussing what an anarchist world would look like. I think that the anarchist goal should be the negation of that rhetoric of installing a new social condition, by resisting whatever the current social condition is.


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>How can you be a anarchist if you buy stuff!


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Greetings from https://mewch.net




Nice board!


Why are you talking to yourself?


No I'm not


why would you post this here


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What you all think of the new Invisible Committee text, titled "Now"?

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I've just submitted it to the library, hopefully it will be available soon.


I used the website, it adds a white line after each each line and makes it read like a very long lyric. Pdf to epub conversions mess up the layout as you of course noticed already.


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I made this just for you anokie: https://a.doko.moe/wseixr.epub


^^ thank you senpai. Hoe did you convert it? I've a small pile of pdf's I'd like to have readable.


I converted it into HTML with "pdftohtml", then manually fixed that in emacs. It was a bit tedious but nothing too much, after a few search-and-replaces and deletions I just needed to fix the paragraphs. To do this I wrote a quick command so all I had to do was put the cursor at the end of the original paragraph, press a key and it formatted the text up until the previous empty line into a nice flowing paragraph. Then I converted it into epub with calibre.

What kind of other PDFs? The HTML can be uploaded to the Anarchist Library so if they are as well-behaving as this one was, I wouldn't mind doing the same with a few other books.


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dank. fat bearded chud getting thrown out of his parents basement was a definite mood improver


looking forward to spicy fucking takes and that sexy borike-québecois accent


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find the tankiest bullshit on the internet & put it here


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fresh off r/FC


wow. what happened did they move to donbass or something?


>fresh off r/FC

>Not FreedomClub



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Just 4 U


I hope you follow through with your New Year's Resolution, Anonski.


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So while companys, states and pigs all over the world using all kinds of new technologies against society what are we doing against it to secure ourselfes and others? Why arent we using some dirty techniques too?

Lets play a bit around in our heads with this idea and try to find some answers:
- would it make sense to see what would be the outcome if we feed an ai with data on past revolutions too see dynamics, risks, interactions, … more cleary, maybe adapt, extend nowadays?
- could "predict" an ai something useful for us? which patterns are useful? which data we could use?
- pigs using predictive policing - what could we use?
- what could be other aspects to look for some "hidden" structures?
- …

Or: No, we arent able to do something like this. We are all just stupid unorganized anarchists.

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Fooling them in what sense? The best you could do is stay away from their surveillance systems or introduce insignificant noise, but even with that there's a chance that they could predict you from the data others feed it or simply by generalization. To actually cripple one you would need to generate significantly more fake data than everyone else combined, which is in most cases not realistic.


op again. i don´t want to talk about personal defence tactics. i mean a bigger project for whole structures.

for example the pigs use predpol. so we could also predict police actions?

or what if we could monitor political/military actions?


Surveillance of state institutions and the ruling class.


>> - could "predict" an ai something useful for us? which patterns are useful? which data we could use?

The problem is, it's hard to really predict the future based on the past. we usually just use the past to rationalise what we never seen comming. I have been reading a book that i seem to largely agree with about this recently called 'Black Swans' It is very interesting, I highly recomend it.


>Fooling them in what sense?

in the sense of causing algorithms to draw incorrect or incomplete conclusions

>but even with that there's a chance that they could predict you from the data others feed it or simply by generalization.

exactly, if you don't act like everyone else(which you're already doing by not submitting to the surveillance state) you're hard to predict.

>To actually cripple one you would need to generate significantly more fake data than everyone else combined

You don't need to make fake data. Segregation means you still use social media in some limited sense, but if you don't let them bleed together at all(which is the hard part) their models can't predict your actions as a full individual, only a partial one.

Don't attribute significant powers of discernment to modern AI. The technology is still in its infancy, and will be for some time.

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Is there any decent left-accelerationist theory? Pretty much the only works I've read on accelerationism at all have been the ones included in #Accelerate.
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Back in 2000 I had some US friends who said "Vote Bush: Hasten the Collapse". Then Bush won and there was no collapse and everyone was sad and we drank lots.


I'm not all that familiar with Left Accelerationism precisely because the majority of it seems to either be neo-soviet organization using technology (e.g. Project CyberSyn) or is just outright decelerationist and is only associated with accelerationism. And that's at its most coherent; the rest of the time, Left Accelerationism just doesn't make any sense and seems to only call itself accelerationism for marketing purposes, when really it's just more of the same leftist shit from the 20th century - but also computers n shit are cool, fellow kids.

Basically, I don't think any of Left Accelerationism (aside maybe from Xenofeminism - and even then, the Xenofem Manifesto leaves a lot to be desired in terms of all the sloganeering for leftism is seems to callback to) should be of interest to anarchists. It's all very state-centric and pretty much extremely oedipal and regressive.

The problem with L/ACC is that it's thinking in terms of a "Left vs. Right" as it is traditionally thought of - though to be fair, the overwhelming majority of Right Accelerationism falls into the same trap. If Left Accelerationism is just stalinism with computers, then Right Accelerationism is basically just Pinochet with Bitcoin.

The way Nick Land and Ccru in general arguably conceived of Left and Right is things that are left of capital and things that are right of capital. For them, fascism and leftism alike are left of capital insofar as they essentially expand regressive state apparatuses to maintain the purity and stability of a system (in a negative-feedback loop). Contrary to this, to be right of capital is to support the expansion of capital beyond the limits of the state or other centralized regulating entities. (cont.)


This may sound suspiciously ancap, even in the old Nick Land and Ccru stuff, but you've got to remember that ancaps are essentially statist who renounce the justification for statism into their shitty Lockean philosophy. They defend the same things that the state upholds (like rent, waged labor, courts, etc.) on the basis of shit like natural law and the NAP. And from this, they argue that their society would be a stable, pure, free society - "free" in their definition, at least.

What accelerationists (the ones who aren't terrible, which is basically Ccru, Nick Land, and some newer people on the scene today) want is something far more chaotic and inhuman. One may admit that accelerating capital would be catastrophic on many levels, but the point isn't to accelerate capital towards some kind of utopia - at least, not in the short term. It's likely that acceleration and the collapse of balance and order that the state provides (at the cost of great subjugation and imperial domination) would leave many fascist patches in its wake, but it would also open up many spaces for decentralized exchange and insurrection to self-organize. And without the support of a state entity, these small patches of fascism are unlikely to survive.

A lot of this, remember, is being based off of Deleuzian theory, which dovetails with cybernetics and chaos theory. A lot of people trip up on this stuff because Deleuzian theory is very different from the Hegelian metaphysics most of leftism is inherited from. It's all about the regulation and transfer of energy. A lot of this also cashes out very nicely in stuff from C4SS (especially Kevin Carson) and Proudhon, but you've got to sort it out from ancap stuff.

It's also important to remember that the world accelerationism imagines is a very pluralistic one and in no way outright denies the possibility of communes and the like, if that's your thing.


I don't really get the connection with Deleuze in the case of leftist accelerationism. If L/ACCs advocate for amplifying the contradictions of capital to the point of its destruction, then surely they are in the Hegel/Marx dialectical tradition.


That's exactly my point: L/ACC is pretty much entirely disconnected from any kind of engagement with some very fundamental concepts in the accelerationist canon and doesn't seem to add anything to it. Like I said, it seems to more or less be a very obvious and very thin marketing brand to sell more Verso books and get tenured professorships.


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Use this board as a place to discuss issues with the site or the services, discuss desired features, and discuss the development of the site itself (vichan or an eventual replacement). This thread itself can serve as a general place for discussion where threads aren't needed.

The old thread on /0040/ is being deprecated. I would move it, but for now I don't know if this is possible, so I will be locking it and keeping it as a legacy thread until I can make an archive.
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maybe it's some vhost thing?

if you're using apache2 you can have it use php for all html-ish things, there shouldn't be any need to change filenames


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Want to share this mirror: http://2ia24bshagf5tlr3.onion/nsleaks/

Do you have some more leaked stuff?

Looking for the stuff from @nofrontfriday - pastebin deleted the leaks …


I have the leaks archived, will try to upload somewhere when I get back from work



Midgård shop leak w/ python script that sorts it by city and name:

The files from the rest of the issues are still up on the original mirrors, so I'll just paste those links verbatim below:

The forum databases talked about in issue #2:

Issue #3 files:
Part A (30M): https://minfil.org/Cct8o4c7b8/nordfront-comments.A.cvs
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yeah!!! thanks

now i can stop searching on weird finnish websites .)


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you're welcome!


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It's clear, and always has been, that young people are the center of any political resistance.

However, there are new forms of social control: cell phones, smartwatches, computers in your car, and all mainstream social media.

We have to get people to recognize that this stuff is harmful to organizing, especially for people planning civil disobedience.

Too much shit is organized on facebook, over SMS, etc.

How do we get people to not be fucking idiots when it comes to security?


to clarify:

the reason why it's significant that most militants are/will be young people is that, young people grew up with these new forms of social control. Getting them to give them up is damn near impossible.


You need to educate your comrades, that's given. Other than that, I'm not sure what can be done. I was wondering if user interfaces could be designed in a way to discourage harmful behavior but I couldn't think of anything and it probably wouldn't be that effective.

Trouble episodes #5 and #6 were about relevant topics, maybe that would be an easy way to introduce the topic to your friends.


Spoken from experience, it /is/ like shitting bricks with certain people. But it works slowly, we are getting more people to practice better security with organizing. It's uphill but worthwhile, trust me. Having consistent audits and workshops, while using the EFF's model of community security is super posi


To be fair to our younger comrades, having grown up with this stuff makes SOME of them a lot better at security than I'll ever be. Technology was already changing faster than I could keep up long before I noticed that I wasn't able to keep up.



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