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 No.52

So while companys, states and pigs all over the world using all kinds of new technologies against society what are we doing against it to secure ourselfes and others? Why arent we using some dirty techniques too?

Lets play a bit around in our heads with this idea and try to find some answers:
- would it make sense to see what would be the outcome if we feed an ai with data on past revolutions too see dynamics, risks, interactions, … more cleary, maybe adapt, extend nowadays?
- could "predict" an ai something useful for us? which patterns are useful? which data we could use?
- pigs using predictive policing - what could we use?
- what could be other aspects to look for some "hidden" structures?
- …

Or: No, we arent able to do something like this. We are all just stupid unorganized anarchists.


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 No.55

neural nets(which are the new vogue) are really bad at most things without a *huge* amount of training data.

for the stuff you're talking about, crafting the training data is actually the most labor-intensive part. You'd need to identify the measurables and measure them. Hard stuff.

wrt fooling big data stuff: it's pretty easy. Don't give them anything to work with, and when you have to strictly separate your identities so they can't form links and build a more significant profile.

 No.56

>>55
Fooling them in what sense? The best you could do is stay away from their surveillance systems or introduce insignificant noise, but even with that there's a chance that they could predict you from the data others feed it or simply by generalization. To actually cripple one you would need to generate significantly more fake data than everyone else combined, which is in most cases not realistic.

 No.57

>>55
>>56
op again. i don´t want to talk about personal defence tactics. i mean a bigger project for whole structures.

for example the pigs use predpol. so we could also predict police actions?

or what if we could monitor political/military actions?

 No.58

Drones.
Surveillance of state institutions and the ruling class.

 No.59

>> - could "predict" an ai something useful for us? which patterns are useful? which data we could use?


The problem is, it's hard to really predict the future based on the past. we usually just use the past to rationalise what we never seen comming. I have been reading a book that i seem to largely agree with about this recently called 'Black Swans' It is very interesting, I highly recomend it.

 No.60

>>55
>Fooling them in what sense?

in the sense of causing algorithms to draw incorrect or incomplete conclusions

>but even with that there's a chance that they could predict you from the data others feed it or simply by generalization.


exactly, if you don't act like everyone else(which you're already doing by not submitting to the surveillance state) you're hard to predict.

>To actually cripple one you would need to generate significantly more fake data than everyone else combined


You don't need to make fake data. Segregation means you still use social media in some limited sense, but if you don't let them bleed together at all(which is the hard part) their models can't predict your actions as a full individual, only a partial one.

Don't attribute significant powers of discernment to modern AI. The technology is still in its infancy, and will be for some time.

>>57
>so we could also predict police actions?

predictive policing doesn't really work though. It's just a way to justify the crap that police do by saying the algorithm made them do it.



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