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/0040/ is a place for general discussion about anarchism.

Don't turn this board into a political shitflinging hellhole like every other political board on every imageboard ever. And for fuck's sake, do not ever respond to bait.

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This thread is now deprecated and will be kept here as a locked legacy thread for the time being. Please use >>>/meta/ for all site issues.
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Wouldn't it be easier to just make one in >>>/meta/ ? You could specify which board you want it to and someone will hopefully make it.

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It seems to me that the only way to actually end the exchage of commoditys and capitalism would be some form of central planning where all production is managed from one point. Wouldn't "decentralized planning" be just another form of commodity exchance as each sector where planning takes place essentially exchanges with the others?
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>But puerile sectarians like you
wait up
that's spicy
you're saying that the way I act is somehow going too far *as opposed to Wolfi?*
>honestly there are parts of Bordiga's (flawed) thought that are really compelling in comparison to the collective brainletry of the 'post-left' subculture.
It's hard to say that anything in Bordiga's (or Rühle's or Mattick's) writing addresses the post-left critique, a critique which does not necessarily say that Marxism of any form is strictly "wrong" or makes bad factual statements, but which focuses on the assumptions underlying, namely: that we care to have class war at all, that capitalism won't cannibalize itself before we can oppose it, that the system we are in is similar enough from the system that Marx or Bordiga described to apply the same analysis, etc.
>or you would at least understand the difference between the left wing of capital and the communist left.
Entirely irrelevant to my point and also (conveniently enough) wrong. No, the post-left critique does not only apply to left capitalism.


I hate to ruin the satisfaction that you got from all that bold text pontificating, but when did I say that political authority should be transferred to affinity groups? I'm fairly certain that I contradicted that when I denounced municipal governance.


>I think the thing that a lot of anarchists are missing is that we shouldn't have an end goal.
>This idea doesn't seem to be very common among anarchists, but I think that we should focus on the struggle itself instead of the end goal. We should realize that liberation exists in the act of defiance, not as a result of it.
Your isolated defiance is powerless against international corporate capital and statism. This is pretty much why those 'stupid syndicalists, Makhnovists and Bookchinists' want to organize. So as to not be powerless.
If you think you can oppose the state and capital by your lone everyday actions I honestly don't know where to start. Try it out for a month. See what happens. Live on stolen food items and squatted lands, by yourself. See how long you can last before you get health problems or police abuse and detention, which snowballs to future worse punishments due to the state-registry.

Some of us actually want sustained, long-term structural change and it has proven to work far better than your shitty strategy, whether you want to 'label' it that or not. If I'm still off then feel free to elaborate beyond "focus on the struggle". As if that's not what "class struggle anarchists" wants to do; the ones you dismissed as "authoritarian".

Also we're not struggling for "utopia". We're struggling for anarchy. If that's so crazy to you then maybe you shouldn't call yourself an anarchist/anarch or hang out in these circles at all.


Firstly, wow, if you talk like you type, you must be a real pain at parties.

Secondly, your sustained long-term structural change will never happen. It simply isn't possible to implement ideals onto society. The structures of human relations cannot be changed by a faction that claims to be libertarian without reverting to despotism. There has never been a successful escape from tyranny since the rise of the State, and there never will be.

It is simply impossible to live by ideals (whatever those ideals are, anarchy, liberty, justice, etc. etc.) and not open your mind up to exploitation. All movements eventually contradict their own goals and purposes because they put their trust in individuals who claim to represent those ideals (just as Catholic priests claim to represent the world of god). Your loyalty is then lost from the ideal and becomes affixed on your glorious leader. This always happens, no matter how democratic your system is.

Face it, anarchist society is something that will never happen. Not only is there literally nobody in the world who would be willing to allow such an endeavor to exist, but any attempt at doing so will devolve into a degenerated quasi-state like Rojava or anarchist Catalonia.

And since you seem to be exceptionally eager to jump on the ad hominems, yes, I do consider myself an anarchist. I'd say I'm a hell of a lot more anarchist than you since I'm not willing to sell out to the highly authoritarian nature of anarchist organizations.


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>we're not struggling for "utopia"
Maybe if your definition of utopia is something that is de facto unrealizable, then yes, of course you're not. But when you really look at it, a global, sustainable, anarchist society is wishful thinking in every sense of the word, not only because of Empire, but also due to climate change.
>live on stolen food items and squatted lands, by yourself
The fact that you say "by yourself" reveals a lack of understanding when it comes to post-left theory. When we say anti-organization, we are rejecting formal apparatuses. Affinity groups are encouraged so we can (if we're inclined to do so) set up mutual aid networks between us. Furthermore, no one is under the impression that dumpstering will change the world. People squat because they want to change the now, not the future.
>it has proven to work far better than your shitty strategy
Has it though? No sustained change has come about from anarchist revolutions (or at least no changes that aren't similar to what insurrections produce i.e. inspiration, temporary liberation, etc.)

Small communes would be easily capable of ending exchange within themselves. Centralization is inherently rigid and inflexible, and is therefore incapable of abolishing alienation.

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>The global economy is in crisis. The exponential exhaustion of natural resources, declining productivity, slow growth, rising unemployment, and steep inequality, forces us to rethink our economic models. Where do we go from here? In this feature-length documentary, social and economic theorist Jeremy Rifkin lays out a road map to usher in a new economic system.

>A Third Industrial Revolution is unfolding with the convergence of three pivotal technologies: an ultra-fast 5G communication internet, a renewable energy internet, and a driverless mobility internet, all connected to the Internet of Things embedded across society and the environment.

>This 21st century smart digital infrastructure is giving rise to a radical new sharing economy that is transforming the way we manage, power and move economic life. But with climate change now ravaging the planet, it needs to happen fast. Change of this magnitude requires political will and a profound ideological shift.


that's about as Silicon-style "ethical capitalism thru more tech" as it gets


oh yeah definitely

all this talk about "distributed" technologies being the natural conclusion of the westphalian nation-state, decimating hierarchical infrastructure and absolving geopolitical borders in favor of "biosphere trade networks" sounds awfully familiar tho. yet he has the audacity to say that capitalism won't "go away", and that rapid technological unemployment won't be issue. also his casual, recurring usage of "internets" is really off-putting

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post-moar anti-fascist/anti-capitalist tracks here
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Before Doomtree was formed some of its members were pretty anarchxs; P.O.S came from Minneapolis' 90s punk scene. Sims has a couple tracks that go hard, too.





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You are welcome anons, join us!

irc.anarchyplanet.org ssl: 6697


There is also a web-client at https://irc.anarchyplanet.org


Is this server of some organization or something?



An organization? Lol. no..


#tech/#hacking/#security -→ /decking/
#occult ———————–→ /kvlt/

torposting allowed!

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ITT : stuff that normies said to you.

>you are an idealist

>what you propose is too utopian
>Hitler was a socialist
>if you hate states so much, why don't you go to the international waters?
>human nature
>a planned economy would result in a mob taking your stuff
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Op here, back for more hot takes from yesterday night.
>anarchism is right-wing and close to neoliberalism, right-wing means more liberty and left-wing means more equality
Either I'm shit at explaining the anarchist critique of capitalism or they don't want to listen to it.


People have no idea what equality means, they all think it's about making everything standardized.


(context: discussing a hypothetical ancom world)
>So, if I pay someone to chop wood for me, the anarcho-police will come and get me?
please separate my head from my neck


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The biggest problem we have is discussing what an anarchist world would look like. I think that the anarchist goal should be the negation of that rhetoric of installing a new social condition, by resisting whatever the current social condition is.


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>How can you be a anarchist if you buy stuff!

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Greetings from https://mewch.net




Nice board!


Why are you talking to yourself?


No I'm not


why would you post this here

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What you all think of the new Invisible Committee text, titled "Now"?

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I've just submitted it to the library, hopefully it will be available soon.


I used the website, it adds a white line after each each line and makes it read like a very long lyric. Pdf to epub conversions mess up the layout as you of course noticed already.


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I made this just for you anokie: https://a.doko.moe/wseixr.epub


^^ thank you senpai. Hoe did you convert it? I've a small pile of pdf's I'd like to have readable.


I converted it into HTML with "pdftohtml", then manually fixed that in emacs. It was a bit tedious but nothing too much, after a few search-and-replaces and deletions I just needed to fix the paragraphs. To do this I wrote a quick command so all I had to do was put the cursor at the end of the original paragraph, press a key and it formatted the text up until the previous empty line into a nice flowing paragraph. Then I converted it into epub with calibre.

What kind of other PDFs? The HTML can be uploaded to the Anarchist Library so if they are as well-behaving as this one was, I wouldn't mind doing the same with a few other books.

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dank. fat bearded chud getting thrown out of his parents basement was a definite mood improver


looking forward to spicy fucking takes and that sexy borike-québecois accent

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